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  Daredevil Poll...

Posted by: SoylentGreg
06-02-2005, 12:31 AM
Forum: Tragically Hip Discussion
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Sorry if it's not as funny as I think it is, it's late and i'm tired...

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  Weakerthans/John K. Samson tour news!

Posted by: direwolf74
06-01-2005, 08:53 PM
Forum: Non Tragically Hip Discussion
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Looks like I'll be buying some Calgary Folkfest tickets.


John K Samson Solo Tour, opening for Christine Fellows:

June 18 Hamilton, ON @ Staircase Theater Loft
June 19 Meadford, ON @ Irish Mountain Concert Series
June 20 Guelph, ON @ Bookshelf E. Bar
June 23 Montreal, QC @ Casa del Popolo
June 24 Kingston, ON @ The Grad Club
June 25 Wakefield, QC @ Black Sheep Inn
June 27 Toronto, ON @ 360 (with Bry Webb from the Constantines!)


The Weakerthans: Punks vs Hippies Tour:

Winnipeg Folk Festival, July 7-10
Hillside Music Festival, July 22
Calgary Folk Festival, July 23-24
Regina Folk Festival, July 29-30
Edmonton Folk Festival, August 5-8
Salmon Arm Roots and Blues Festival, August 12-13

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  Congratulations Gibby! Another HB'er getting hitched!

Posted by: Stephen Dame
06-01-2005, 07:22 PM
Forum: Non Tragically Hip Discussion
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Well, I've just learned that the old man of the old newsgroup, and the veteran amongst those of us who moved over here from there en masse, is now taking the last step towards official oldman-dom! Smile

Our Own Gibby is engaged to be married!

Remember to bow out to avoid a fight, not because you think she's right.

Congratulations Tragically Phipps!

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  Canadian version of Live 8?

Posted by: direwolf74
06-01-2005, 07:22 PM
Forum: Non Tragically Hip Discussion
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Just found this article on Canoe. Looks like World Vision is trying to get something going. Maybe they'll do it in Winnipeg and they can finally get Neil Young to play his hometown. Neil and the Hip could co-headline.

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  New Pearl Jam song "Crapshoot Rapture"

Posted by: direwolf74
06-01-2005, 06:22 PM
Forum: Non Tragically Hip Discussion
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Founds this link over at the PJ forum. Don't know where it's from, but it's obviously a bootleg recording. It's got a very punk-rock feel to it. Not sure if I like it yet, but I'm betting it'll grow on me once I hear the studio version. (assuming the song even makes the album). Anyway, here it is. Enjoy!

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  oh my oh my, what is happening to my once mighty niners

Posted by: opiated
06-01-2005, 05:27 PM
Forum: Non Tragically Hip Discussion
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  Hip Philosophy thread AKA I'm SO fired now.

Posted by: Stephen Dame
06-01-2005, 12:12 PM
Forum: Tragically Hip Discussion
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There've been a few threads about themes and stuff, and a few of us have had online and offline discussions about Gord's perspective and such, so I wasted even more company time and came up with this summary of what I think demonstrates some of the philosophy that rolls along through the Hip-Time continuum.

I'm interested to see what sorts of stuff others have picked up, and just how crazy the rest of you think I am.

There are a few leitmotifs that I'm sure we've all noticed in the boys work. Film terms on Day For Night and Fully Completely. Water imagery in "Nautical Disaster," "The Dire Wolf," "Poets" and "New Orleans Is Sinking." A museum after dark, (which I shamelessly jacked) is of course referenced in "Never Worked That Hard," "Scared" and "Wheat Kings."

As I've mentioned before around here, I've noticed another message within many of the Hip's songs. It's the idea of perseverance, of dedication, of seeing things through with indefatigable will. Gord and the boys seem fond of referencing those who achieved, overcame odds, never gave up and made the most of their time on earth. Some existential thought, defined as "a philosophical movement or tendency,
emphasizing individual existence, freedom, and choice" seems to creep into a few songs as well. I'd argue that next to the paradox of The Hip and nationalism this 'carpe diem' approach is one of the more intriguing aspects of the Hip's work.

I've attempted to list all of that, in this:

Some are simply lyrics, while others contain my ramblings from various
crap I've written, you've seen the Use It Up stuff in another thread.

From Use It Up:

"Use it up, don't save a thing for later."

This lyric is attributed in the albums accompanying booklet to Raymond Carver. An American short story writer and poet, Carver was a master at the post-modern, existential, 'seize the day' style of writing and philosophy that also influenced Courage and can be further explored in the bonus track Problem Bears. ...Carver's bibliographical essay, "My Father's Life" gives us a window into his personal character, as well as the type of thinking which Carver shared with Hugh Maclennan and obviously appeals to Downie: "it tells about his upbringing what his highly-acclaimed stories tell about others: the grind of poverty, the ruin of alcohol, the endless threat of breakdown and break-up, the resolve of those who keep going when their only sure direction is down."

"And music that can help you feel great
and come together in 'the fictive dream'"

The 'fictive dream' lyric which appears in quotations, is attributed to "On Becoming a Novelist" by John Gardner. "On Becoming a Novelist" is a hard luck tale of a writer wondering about his abilities, hoping for a big break, and praying for any small semblance of success. It is the often told tale of a writer seeking justification for his craft. The book matches the theme found in "Use It Up," "All Tore Up" and "My Music At Work," which preaches that struggling bands and writers (both song and otherwise) must actively seek success, make their own breaks and never give up. The forward to "On Becoming a Novelist" is written by one of Gardner's former students: Raymond Carver.

Carver wrote: "Failure and dashed hopes are common to us all. The suspicion that we're taking on water and that things are not working out in our life the way we'd planned hits most of us at some time or another. By the time you're nineteen you have a pretty good idea what you're not going to be; but more often, this sense of one's limitations, the really penetrating understanding, happens in late youth or early middle age. No teacher or any amount of education can make a writer out of someone who is constitutionally incapable of becoming a writer in the first place. But anyone embarking on a career, or pursuing a calling, risks setback and failure. There are failed policemen, politicians, generals, interior decorators, engineers, bus drivers, editors, literary agents, businessmen, basket weavers. There are also failed and disillusioned creative writing teachers and failed and disillusioned writers. John Gardner was neither of these, and the reasons why are to be found in this wonderful book."

Gardner died in a motorcycle accident in 1982, one week after uttering this quote which could have come straight from Carver or Maclennan and seems to sum "Use it Up" nicely: "All my life, I've lived flat out. As a motorcycle racer, chemist, writer... I was never cautious."

"In a kind of Randy Newman take."

Randy Newman is the composer and songwriter best known for his contributions to film soundtracks, most notably Disney film soundtracks. ...Fittingly enough, Newman also fits into the existential realist attitude shared by Carver and Gardner and admired by Downie, saying on his website that it's not his style to "look forward with optimism, or look back either in anger or emotion."

From All Tore Up:

"Ya play yer Fuck-Off-Nows right
and don't clear the place
Wreak some havoc on the way out
You might make it"

From My Music @ Work:

"Everything is bleak. It's the middle of the night.
You're all alone and the dummies might be right.
You feel like a jerk.
My music at work.
My music at work.

Avoid trends and cliches. Don't try to be up to date.
And when the sunlight hits the olive-oil, don't hesitate.
The night's so long it hurts
My music at work.

In a symbol too far or the anatomy of a stain;
to determine where you are, in a sink full of Ganges, I'd remain"

From Courage:

"So there's no simple explanation
For anything important any of us do
And yea the human tragedy
consists in the necessity
of living with the consequences
Under pressure, under pressure"

Paraphrased directly from a passage in "The Watch That Ends The Night," this phrase serves as a modern "Carpe Diem" for Maclennan and embodies the message in "Courage." Rather than fear his existential awakening, the main character in "The Watch" comes to embrace the fact that life is a series of serendipitous events, of free will and free choice. It is a path unchained from the ancient idea of an itinerary set-out from above.

The courage inherit in all of us is the will to carry on undeterred. To accept our choices, and adapt accordingly when the choices of others affect us. Move forward into the great unknown ...or something like that.

From Inevitability of Death:

"Terry's gift is forever green, it got me up, back on the scene"

From Flamenco:

"Flamenco" Chuck Keyser wrote a well known academic expression of Flamenco philosophy. It is introspective and ponderous and carries similarities to the writing style and sentiments of Gord Downie: "My own view of Flamenco is that it is an artistic expression of the intense awareness of the existential human condition. It is an effort to come to terms with the concept that we are all 'strangers who are afraid, in a world we never made;' that there is probably no higher being and that even if he/she (or it) is irrelevant to the human condition in the final analysis. The truth in Flamenco is that life must be lived and death must be faced on an individual basis; that is the fundamental responsibility of each man to come to terms with their own alienation with courage, dignity and humour, and to support others in their efforts. It is an excruciatingly honest art form."

From Grace, Too:

"Armed with will and determination... Armed with skill and it's frustration
And grace, too"

From the Story of Live Between Us: (which probably doesn't help my argument any, but I think illustrates how a serendipitous event affected the boys early in their career)

As legend would have it, late one evening before Davis made his decision (choosing between the girl and the band) known, he walked to the corner of King and Princess Streets in downtown Kingston. There, in an alley that now stands beside a tattoo parlour, he painted a huge mural featuring a weeping eye and a shooting star. He painted "The Hip Live Between Us" in large letters across the wall, in apparent reference to he and his lover.

In the end, Davis chose the girl, left the band, and continues to be an active musician to this day. His mural still stands, it was used as the CD art for the Hip's 1997 live release. The disc, in a clever turn of phrase, was called "Live Between Us."

From Tiger The Lion:

"John Cage had come to feel
Art in our time
Was much less important
Than our daily life."

John Cage was a composer, artist, critic and intellectual whose first Hip link stems from his work on the subject of existentialism which is often referenced in academic studies of Hugh Maclennan. Cage was fond of experimenting with music, and was often heralded in the same ways as Canadian master pianist, composer and eccentric genius; Glenn Gould. Like Gould, Cage was interested in the process of making music, the technologies that could improve that process, and the ways in which that process affected human beings. Cage sought to discover if creative choice could be completely replaced by random luck. He famously composed a piece of music by flipping a coin to select which bars would come next.

When not recording 4 minutes and 30 seconds of silence or collecting mushrooms, Cage was fond of lecturing on the role of art in society. The Cage passage from "Tiger" comes directly from a 1980 book called "Off The Wall" which dealt with art in the post modern world. Cage's 1961 address to Wesleyan University is also footnoted in Music@Work's lyric booklet.

Fighter pilots going silent, (One of Cage's favourite "states" of sound) and later skimming through the clouds, seems to provide a nice metaphor for John Cage's notion that modern man could not adequately navigate his world without first embracing art. By neglecting our understanding of culture, art and expression, John Cage had come to feel that we were all flying blind.

From Problem Bears:

"Well, you're a sober and green eyed Voltaire"

Judging by his work, Gord is a fan of those who seize the day. Men and women who make the most of their talents and limited time on earth. Folks like Terry Fox, Tom Thompson, Pierre Trudeau, Bill Barilko, John Gardner, Raymond Carver and Hugh Maclennan, people who for lack of a better term, used it up, and didn't save a thing for later. The latter three were also believers in an existential outlook on life. One of the pioneers of existential and 'make the most of what you've got' thinking, was Voltaire. A philosopher and author who lived and worked during the 18th century, Voltaire was at the time a radical reformer who believed in the ideas of Isaac Newton and the liberal philosophies of John Locke. He may be best known for his prescient quote: "those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities."

So am I nuts, or is there something there? I guess the answer could be 'yes' to both.

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  Billy Corgan-The Future Embrace EP

Posted by: The Darkest Canuck
06-01-2005, 11:47 AM
Forum: Non Tragically Hip Discussion
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has leaked! no, not the LP, this is just 4 songs from it...i also found another new song of his called Hammer And Nales, and it isn't listed on the album either, which is kind of strange...

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  Where do the Hip go from Here??

Posted by: chives
06-01-2005, 09:16 AM
Forum: Tragically Hip Discussion
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Ok, 20 years, great band, great friends, and obviously great music. Where do they go from here? The side/solo projects are starting, and it can be good or bad for the future of the band, guess we'll have to wait and see. I can't see egos getting in the way and the band splitting for solo reasons, but you never know. I admire that its been the same group of guys (more or less, sorry Davis) for all this time, they've stayed true to themselves, their families, their fans, and their music. Hell, I even admire that they stand on stage the same way every night. So what's next? How do they continue without getting stale? Musically? I would love to see Paul getting some songs with lead vocals. A la, Edge in U2 or Keith in the Stones, how about pianos/synths mixed in with the music?? Not sure who would play, but I don't want to see anyone else on stage. The fact they've played by themselves w/o session men on stage (except the odd Dan Akroyd/Los Lobos appearance/Kate/Chris appearance) is a testament to them and their musical ability. But can they keep it up? Do they stray from their "type of music"? I can't see them doing a "techno" album or "flavour of the month type of music" album, like U2 and their experiment with Pop Mart and Discotechque, but they tried to "tone it down" a bit with M@W and IVL, and it wasnt' met with much enthusiasm, except from us hardcore fans, which is all their concerned about, which is why we love them so much, so in my best Axl Rose voice, "Where do we go now???"

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  Outside my apartment right now...

Posted by: Stephen Dame
05-31-2005, 11:24 PM
Forum: Non Tragically Hip Discussion
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Here's what I can hear (A tree is in the way, so I can't see anything unfortunately) from the fine young men across the way.

Old Dude on the fourth or fifth floor: "Shut up, shut up! Some of us have to work tomorrow!"

Punk kid in the parking lot: "I'm a police officer, I'll charge you with harrasement!"

ODOTFOFF: "Oh yeah, right! I oughtta come down there and teach you a lesson"

PKITPL: "Give it a shot you drunk bitch!"

ODOTFOFF: "Well, I will then... I'm on my way down!"

PKITPL: "I'll eat your fucking tongue you old bastard!"

(Faintly, as if from the back of the apartment) : "Hey, shut up already!"

PKITPL: (smashes something) "I'll fuck you and your mother!" (well at least he's not a homophobe)

And this concludes another episode of "what's going on outside my apartment right now."

Ooohhh... flashing lights! ...scuse me

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